Monday, 30 April 2012

ΣΣΣΣ! Μη μιλας αρβανιτικα!


με περικοπές

ΣΣΣΣ! Μη μιλας αρβανιτικα! 
Πουσο (σιωπη) Κωστα! 
Παω να τσακωθω με τις γιαγιαδες μου. Θα παω να τους πω οτι δεν ειναι Ελληνιδες, γιατι μιλουν τα αρβανιτικα τοσο καλα οσο και τα ελληνικα! 

Αν δεν δωσω σημεια ζωης, θα εχω φαει μαγκουρα στο κεφαλι... 
Τα Αρβανίτικα σε κρυφό σχολειό τάμαθε; 
triapitskinMar 29 2007, 04:02 PM
Μπα, δε νομιζω
Απο τους γονεις τα εμαθαν, που και αυτοι τα ειχαν μαθει απο τους δικους τους γονεις, οι οποιοι τα ειχαν μαθει απο τους δικους τους γονεις κλπ. Με λιγα λογια, τυχερες ειναι, γιατι συμφωνα με το μυαλο μερικων υπερ - Ελληνων, σαφως δεν καταγονται απευθειας απο τον Σωκρατη και τον Πλατωνα, οποτε τι ζηταν σε τουτη την ενδοξη Αττικη Γη?

Για να τα μαθουν τα αρβανιτικα, δεν χρειαστηκαν ουτε κρυφο ουτε φανερο σχολειο. Στο σχολειο εμαθαν τα ελληνικα... 
tzoMar 29 2007, 06:59 PM
Παιδιά μην το φτάνουμε στο άλλο άκρο. Αρβανίτικα ξέρουν σχεδόν όλες οι παλιές γενιές. Καλώς ή κακώς συναναστρεφόμασταν με τους Αλβανους και εμπορικά και σε καθημερινή βάση και λογικό είναι να ξέρουν οι περισσότεροι. Εδώ ξέρουμε πολλά εμείς. 

Τζο, επειδή έχω ζήσει 4 χρόνια της ζωής μου στην Ήπειρο, ξέρω οτι υπάρχουν πάρα πολλοί αρβανίτες εκεί στους οποίους θα μπορούσες να απευθυνθείς για να σου εξηγήσουν πολλά πράγματα για τη φυλή.

Αν, παρόλ'αυτά, σου μείνουν απορίες, ο τριαπ κι εγω είμαστε πρόθυμοι να σε διαφωτίσουμε....

Φυσικά, αυτά που αναφέρεις ουδεμία σχέση με την αλήθεια έχουν! 
tzoMar 30 2007, 09:51 AM

Τριαπ εγώ πάντως που δεν ξέρω Αλβανικά καλά, όταν είχαν έρθει τα πρώτα κύμματα Αλβανών, συνεννοούμασταν μια χαρά με τα Αρβανίτικα (τα λίγα που ήξερα). Οι λέξεις τους είναι ίδιες ή παρόμοιες. Ίσως να μην είναι Αλβανικά, αλλά δεν διαφέρουν πολύ. 
triapitskinMar 30 2007, 02:12 PM
Και για να πούμε κάποια πράγματα με το όνομά τους είναι λογικό να μην υπάρχει η "καθαρότητα" όπως την ενοούν οι ηλίθιοι του στύλ "χρυσή αυγή". Όμως λαοί όπως ο Ελληνικός έχουν αναλίωτα χαρακτηριστικά δια μέσου των αιώνων γιατί αποροφούν τις αναμίξεις. Αν δεν γινόταν μίξεις σε λαούς όλοι θα είχαν το τέλος των Σπαρτιατών όπου στα χρόνια της Ρωμαϊκής επιβολής εκμηδενίστηκαν αφού δεν δεχόταν επίκτητους ως πολίτες της Σπάρτης. Αντίθετα οι Αθηναίοι δεν είχαν πρόβλημα να θεωρήσουν Αθηναίο όποιον ήθελε να αποδεχθεί την παιδεία τους και την κουλτούρα τους.
Γενικά οι Έλληνες ως τέτοιος λός έχουν αποροφήσει τις όποιες αναμίξεις υπέρ τους. Αν αναλογιστούμε ότι οι Αλβανοί σαν απόγονοι αρχαιοελληνικής φυλής ανακύκλυσαν πολλούς αιώνες αργότερα το Ελληνικό στοιχείο, το ίδιο και οι Σέρβοι και λοιποί Σλαύοι αλλά τα στοιχεία της φυλής είναι σαφώς Ελληνικά θα καταλάβουμε ότι οι απόψεις περί απόλυτης καθαρότητας και λοιπές βλακείες είναι στοιχείο φυλετικής αυτοκτονίας αλλά και πνευματικής κατάντιας και ουδεμία σχέση έχουν με τον Ελληνικό πολιτισμό.
zty είπε...
Όπως ο Κόλιας, έτσι και πολύ εδώ έχουν βρεθεί σε πλήρες αδιέξοδο. Δεν μπορείς να είσαι και έλληνας και αρβανίτης. Όχι ότι αυτές οι έννοιες αντιμάχονται, το ερώτημα είναι αν μπορούν να συνυπάρχουν σε ιστορικό, εθνολογικό και τελικά, σε πολιτικό επίπεδο. Τι νιώθει ο καθένας, αυτό που αποκαλείτε εθνική συνείδηση («νιώθουν και δηλώνουν έλληνες») είναι κάτι πολύ ευμετάβλητο. Να θυμίσω τους Σλαβομακεδόνες που σε μία μόλις γενιά ένιωθαν και δήλωναν κατά σειρά τρεις διαφορετικές συνειδήσεις. Ο Κόλιας το κατάλαβε αυτό. Έβαλε την αρβανιτιά πριν την ρωμιοσύνη, και προσπάθησε (έπρεπε) όμως με τα γραπτά του να αποδείξει ότι οι αρβανίτες είναι απόγονοι των πελασγών, ώστε έτσι να έρθει πιο κοντά στους έλληνες, να γεφυρώσει το χάσμα. Διαφορετικά να δεχθείτε την αλβανοσύνη σας, και με διαφορετική έκφραση, οι αλβανοσύνη είναι επέκταση της αρβανιτιάς. Κάτι που πολύ προσπάθησαν και βρέθηκαν σε αδιέξοδα. Αν πάλι βάλεις την ρωμιοσύνη πριν την αρβανιτιά, τότε πρέπει να ξεχάσετε την αρβανίτικη γλώσσα. Αυτό είναι το πιο σωστό. Ο υπόλοιπος αρβανίτικος πολιτισμός μένει ανέπαφος, όμως κάπως κουτσουρεμένος. Όσο και να αντιδράσουμε, η γλώσσα είναι το κύριο πολιτιστικό στοιχείο που εκφράζει έναν λαό, και τα αλβανικά με τα αρβανίτικα είναι όμοιες γλώσσες. Αν επιμένετε στην ανάπτυξη και εκμάθηση της γλώσσα σας, μην εκπλαγείτε όταν πολύ σύντομα θα σας πλησιάσουν διάφοροι με σκοπό να αναπτύξουν και αλβανική (έστω αρβανίτικη) συνείδηση και σε πολιτικό επίπεδο, να εγείρουν θέματα καταπίεσης των αρβανιτών. Αυτό όμως δεν είναι δυνατών να το επιτρέψει οι ελληνική πολιτεία, οι υπόλοιποι έλληνες.
                                                                                                                                                       

Greek theories on why the official handling of the Greek Albanians (Arvanites) are not scientific

                                                                                                                                                            

Νύφη Arbereshe

                                                                                                                                                      

Το 1891 ο Γερμανός ιστορικοφιλόλογος Arthur Milchhöfer εκδίδει το βιβλίο "Attica und seine Heutigen" όπου μεταξύ άλλων λέει: «Απ’ ότι ξέρω, τα σύγχρονα ελληνικά λαϊκά τραγούδια είναι συγχωνευμένα με τα παλιά αρβανίτικα ερωτικά, λυρικά και κλέφτικά τραγούδια»
Arthur Milchhöfer
Ονομαζομενα Ελληνικα είναι Αρβανιτικα στην ουσια ...
                                                                                                                           

Κατά την διάρκεια της Ελληνικής Επανάστασης, περί τους 2.000 μωαμεθανοί Αλβανοί έλαβαν μέρος στο πλευρό των επαναστατών, με δικούς τους αρχηγούς. Συγκινητική είναι η αναφορά που υπέβαλε στο Βουλευτικόν, τον Οκτώβριο του 1827, ένας από αυτούς, ο Μουσταφάς Γκέκας, ζητώντας ηθική και υλική ενίσχυση, για να μπορέσει να συνεχίσει τις υπηρεσίες του στον Αγώνα:

Προς την Σ.Βουλήν,
«Η τυραννία και το απάνθρωπον των ομοθρήσκων μου Μουσουλμάνων, και τα μεγάλα δίκαια του δεινοπαθούντος Ελληνικού λαού, όστις βεβαρυμένος από την πολυχρόνιον δουλείαν απεφάσισε το 1821 έτος το χριστιανικόν, να αποτινάξη τον ζυγόν, επειδή με εκίνησαν εις οίκτον και συμπάθειαν, απεφάσισα και εγώ να συναποθάνω με τους Έλληνας.
[…] Εν ενί λόγω, εδούλευσα την Ελλάδα και δουλεύω απ’αρχής του αγώνος της, συνευρισκόμενος και συναγωνιζόμενος με τους επισήμους της στρατηγούς. Καθ’όλας δε τας μάχας, εις ας συμπαρευρέθην, δις επληγώθην, των οποίων η επικινδυνοτέρα εστάθη, η συμβάσα μοι εις Πειραιά πληγή. Εις όλον δε το διάστημα δεν έλαβον από το ελληνικόν έθνος οβολόν διά μισθόν, εκτός των πεντακοσίων γροσίων δοθέντων μοι προλαβόντως χάριν περιθάλψεως παρά της Σ.Κυβέρνήσεως. Και εξώδευσα όλως εξ οικείων μου γρόσια ένδεκα χιλιάδας, από τα οποία μου ευρέθησαν βενέτικα φυλαγμένα από τον καιρόν της Τουρκίας εις το κεμέρι μου. […] αι εκδουλεύσεις μου είναι αποδεδειγμέναι και αναντίρρητοι, να μοι δοθώσιν ενδεικτικά έγγραφα, ότι εδούλευσα την Ελλάδα πιστώς και ως θετός της υιός[…]
Τη 5 Οκτωβρίου 1827,εν Αιγίνη
Ο φιλέλλην
Μουσταφάς Γκέκας
[5].
[5] Κ.Γ.Κωνσταντινίδου, Ανέκδοτος αναφορά Τούρκου φιλέλληνος, περιοδ. «Νέα Εστία», 15 Μαρτίου 1939, αριθ.294.
http://dimitrisdoctor2.blogspot.com/2009/03/blog-post.html

Ελληνικη Επανασταση ! Απο 10.000 χιλιαδες πολεμιστες,20% ηταν αλβανοι μουσουλμανοι και 80 % αλβανοι ορθοδοξοι

Saturday, 28 April 2012

Αρβανίτη αν κάνεις φίλο βάστα και κομμάτι ξύλο !!

Ο σκοπος των Ελληνων ηταν να χτυπανε την υπερηφάνεια των αρβανιτων για να χαμηλωνουν για παντα το κεφαλι τους,να τους κανουν να ντρεπονται γι αυτο που ειναι και επειδη ειναι Αρβανιτες .
Οι Eλληνες ελεγαν οτι οι Aρβανιτες εχουν ολα τα κακα,αμορφωτοι, βιος,κλεφτες,πονηροι,χωρις μπεσα,τσομπανιδες,μαλαγαδες (μαλ - αγά = αγά μαλι,που μαλ = βουνο)
Οι ελληνες πολεμησαν τι ψυχη και τη γλωσσα τους,τη κληρονομια τους,την πιστι τους,την ιστορια και τη μορφωση 
τους, την Αλβανικη τους καταγωγή,θεωρώντας κατωτερους και τους αλβανους πολλες φορες
Αυτα και πολλα αλλα εκαναν τους αρβανιτες,ποu εκαναν τιν Ελλαδα ,να νιωθουν κατωτέρους που ειναι αρβανιτες και επιτα να κρυβουντην υπαρξη σαν αρβανιτες,να αλλαξουν τα επιθετα....μέχρι στο σημειο να πολεμανε τους ιδιους Aρβανιτες,επειδη οι αλλοι ειναι ...Αρβανιτες


Και αυτοι-ως παντα-δεν μιλαγαν,μα εβλεπα τη πετρινη ματια τους,που ωρα την ωρα,μερα τη μερα σιγογιομιζε αστραπες και μουγνεφε και με φοβεριζε... «Τι καθεσαι κιοτη;...Δεν βλεπεις πουγινε βαρυ το στρωμα που μας πλακωσε; Και οι γυφτοι ακομα μιλουν για λεβεντια,Μπεσα και Περηφανεια...και η φυτρα μας που τα ειχε ολα αυτα προσφαϊ,καπα και προσκεφαλι της,αλησμονιεται,σβηνει και χανεται...».(1)



archikleftaros έγραψε:δεν νομίζω να προκειται για τουρκαλβανους, αλλά για αρβανίτες όπως εννοούμε και σήμερα:

Απο τον Ιωάννη Βηλαρά (Κύθηριο που μεγάλωσε στα Γιαννενα)

Μόνε είπες Αρβανίτη.
Σαν να λέγης κλεισοσπίτη,
Είδε βιό αυτό τ'αγρίμι;
Όρνιο τρέχει στο ψοφίμι.
Άλλο τόσο είναι φίλος, 
όσο ο λυσσασμένος σκύλος.
Του Αρβανίτη πρώτη χάρι
ό,τι έχεις να στο πάρη.
Που σταθή και που περάση,
ό,τι βρη θα το χαλάση.
Όλο όλο η τιμή του
κρέμεται οχ την... πορδή του!
Πάστρα λέει με το στόμα
Κι'είναι ακέριος όλο βρώμα,
Προκοπή σαν τ'αγριο γίδι,
στην κακία τέλειο φίδι.
Άντα θέλη να ευγενίση
πρώτος λόγος θα σε βρίση.
Ως και τους διακοναρέους
τους μετράει νοικοκυρέους.
Τ'αλλουνού λιανό(1) φτονάει,
δεν χορταίνει όλο πεινάει.
Στο καλύβι που φωλιάζει
κάνα είδος δεν ποτάζει(2).
κιαπέ μόνε απέκει βγήκε
σ'αρχοντιές αυτός εμπήκε.
Είναι ο Σκέντος του Σκεντέρη,
πρέπει ο κόσμος να τον ξέρη.
Σαν θελήσης
Να μισήσης
Τη ζωή σου
Και τιμή σου,
Ν'αρνηθής και βιο και σπίτι,
Πιάσε φίλο Αρβανίτη!...


(1) τα λιανά, τα ψιλά, λεφτά
(2) εξουσιάζει. Τα εχει όλα κλεμμένα

Ενω οι ''Ελληνες'' ειναι καλυτεροι...(Armiku)
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ΓΚΙΚΑΣ  ΝΙΚΟΛΑΣ   /  ΑΘΗΝΑ  2007
……
Πως  Μιοούλη και Μποτζάρη και Κουντουριώτας υπουργοί 
τους υβρίσανε με πρώτον 
ως βιαιοπραγείς και Αλβανοί;
Άλλοτε τους αγαπούν με τους λόγους τους γλυκούς,
Κοίαν ολίγον δεν αρέσουν 
τους φωνάζουν Αλβανούς,
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Ευθύμιος Στ. Πράντης, Αλβανικά παράπονα , σ. 11. 

Ego

Οταν ο Αρβανιτης θεωρειτε κακος τον φωναζουν ο Αλβανος 
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 Έξοδος του αρβανίτη ,και η παναγια τους προσεχει (αριστερα)  
 

Έξοδος

http://kleftouria.blogspot.com/

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Τις διαθέσεις των Ελλήνων και των Τούρκων έναντι των Αλβανών εκφράζει παραστατικά το ακόλουθο δημοτικό:
Να κάνουμε το ένα μας
και τούρκοι και ραγιάδες
τον τόπο να παστρέψουμε
από τους αρβανιτάδες. 


Ο Γεώργιος Ρόδιος σκοτώνει την γυναίκα του Δήμητρα για να μη πέσει θύμα Τούρκων,
Giorgios Rodios tötet seine Frau Demetria, um sie vorder türkischen Sklaverei ,
Cesare Mussini 
 
Brazzer είπε ...
 Ελληνικές παροιμίες: 
1. Ο Θεός δεν είναι Αρβανίτης (Κρήτη, Σάμος). 
2. Αρβανίτη αν κάνεις φίλο βάστα και κομμάτι ξύλο. 
3. Σαν Αρβανίτης κάνεις (Τήνος).
4. Αρβανίτης πλένεται και η ποδιά του χαίρεται (Κάρυστος). 
5. Αρβανίτικα μυαλά κολοκύθια τούμπανα. (Κάρυστος) 
6. Αρβανίτικο κεφάλι πατινιώτικο τσουκάλι. (Κρήτη) κ. ά. 
These are some Proverbs that I have taken from the Internet, about the arvanites. I do not understand some of them!

Απριλίου 24 2009 8:20 μ.μ. 
http://dimitrisdoctor2.blogspot.com/2009/04/blog-post.html-

εγώ
7. Μόνο οι αρβανιτες και οι γυφτοι δεν έχουν τα δικατους τα γραμματα
8. "Αρβανίτη φύλεβε και το κώλο σου φύλαγε"


Giovanna Brunetti (face book)
Nje grua e Mesolonghi

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_J1KIGsCpMdI/S8C-XFBRXwI/AAAAAAAAAv4/bRFcZd4_WlM/s1600/I+Mesolongitissa+-+E+de+Lansac.jpg

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Ο νεοτερος Aγιος των Αρβανιτών ,Αριστειδη Κολλια


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Friday, 27 April 2012

Greek theories on why the official handling of the Greek Albanians (Arvanites) are not scientific

Greek theories on why the official handling of the Greek Albanians (Arvanites) are not scientific
In english
I have years to write for Arvanites, ie Albanians in Greece because I have lived Arvanites and saw with my eyes printing that you made them, here in arvanitizmin their stress.I even bring proofs that Arvanites at the moment of creation in the Greek state were more than the Greeks, it is with facts, but were more more than the Albanians themselves by entering here and areas with Albanian national consciousness as Epirus, Macedonia, Greece, Thraqi and Chams. In these areas, already part of the Greek state, highlight that even today the word is not recognized Arvanites, but onlyAlbanian, which leads me to scientific konkjluzionin that we are dealing with the Albanian national consciousness.Not surprisingly many scholars emphasize the origin Arvanit that, between them and former president of the Gold Ari Arvaniti Colia. This population ratio leads to the conclusion, perhaps controversial, should not use the term "dialect Arvanites ", but the language Arvanite 
There is evidence that language was the language Arvanit dedicatory in Greece today, a very sharp detail, neglected by previous researchers of all Albanian Arvanites, but also by researchers Arvanitia Greece.
Also documented that it is used like the Greek electoral elections in 1860. 
So was a second language, official but lost its status later violent course.It is very easy to prove by theory that Arvanites were, are and will remain as long as the Albanians themselvesI use the expression that Arvanites. 
When she starts to say that I am Arvanites, Vllak, Slavic, Turkish, izrailit .. shows that there is distance between you and Greek,who are not Turks, Slavs, Vllak of Arvanita .. just like you, but Greek.And if the Greeks were not Turks, Slavs, Vllaks, Arvanita .. not talking about a nation.That a nation should be shared as I affirm, declare and view.If you do not like me, then I feel despised second-class citizen, someone, in this case, the Greeks are superiorand others, Arvanites, Vllaks, Slavs, Turks ... are inferior.No one can oppose this theoretical conclusion, see this from an ethnological perspective, historical, origin .. andexplicitly from language. Most only had a common orthodoxy, even here 20% of the insurgents and not revolutionaries were Arvanites of `21 Muslims.. this group and the Turks were not, there are Orthodox. 
From my experience many years have reached the following conclusions: 
- According to Greek linguists and Arvanites,Arvanit language is Albanian. 
Some names, but mainly linguists and historians who support this:Lamprinidhi, K.Statha, Gregory Bello, A.Kulluri.P.Furriki, K.Paparigopullo, Babinioti, Johalla, Colia,Linking Tsitsipi Arvanitas and scientifically, the largest in Linguistics .. etc
.- All of the 19 th century until the declaration of independence of Albania (1912), all without exception, within and outside Greece, wrote that Arvanites are Albanians. Please Greeks to find a single document where qualified as Greek Arvanitesin this century.So in the 19th century but did not talk to arvanita for. While outside Greece continue to write all that Arvanites are Albanians in Greece officially declared that Arvanites are Greeks.So it does not change the external factor at all, but in Greece, ie Greek nationalism triumphed over all.So often written for the Greek state pressure to Arvanites in their arvanitizmo.But it is not possible by science:
 - 1 - Language Arvanitia be Albanian language, and Arvanites, to be Greek.The Greeks write and how Arvanites treat ....Albano-Foni, but Greek. That is of Albanian origin butwhat ultimately matters is that they are Greek!!The term "scientific" aims at the elimination of minorities. Only Greece of this expression.Relying only that they are residents of Greece, the Greeks invented the term "scientific".Based on this logic Turks of Greece areFoni Turkish, but Greek/Vllaks, Rumano-Foni, but Greek/Slavs, the Bulgarian-Makedono - Foni, but Greek ...Pond, Israel, gjifts, all .... "Foni" but essentially Greek. 
If this is true then, and the Greek minority in Albania can be treated formally supported by the theoriesGreek official as:Greco-Foni, but ... Albanians.
 - 2 - No Greek scholars outside Greece has said that Arvanites are Greeks as they say in all cases to Makedonia the Slavic Macedonians are not the product of classical, which I would add Albanians of Macedonia are Macedonians original. 
- 3 - 100% of the foreigners who have no reason to support only the Albanians, the Albanians are, Arvanites only reason for with them is the truth. 
- 4 - How is it possible to be and Arvanites, Vllak, Slavic, Turkish, Israel and Greek simultaneously?
Native language is not a national element to the Greeks, and if not, why not just those actually nationality?
 - 5 - How is it that just because they live in Greece, all two thrown called Greek? 
And this is why only in Greece?And we have all legal rights and human justification, that under this logic to treat the Greeks of Albania as the last Albanian Albanian, even with lessons from Greece itself, as a country of ancient civilization.
- 6 - When Vllaks Arvanites, Slavs, Turks, Greeks considered why the Israelites were not Greeks Arvanites, vllakë, Turks, Slavs, etc.?
 
The group identified as a people speaking the same language, foremost, generally has the same blood, the same thoroughness and thus becomes part of the work, thought, action and national sacrifice.But there are no important for people and customs, traditions, cultural heritage, music, behavior and reaction, even the phenomenon of inherited assessment of others that do not belong to your group, etc..In what aspect of the above resemble those Arvanites, Vllaks, Turks, Slavs .. with the Greeks?
 Why Greeks do not speak arvanitika, let not even broadcast a single song Arvanit? 
Why, when I become like you, why you do not become like me? Dance are Arvanites not beg?Greeks are better, more skilled, smarter, more courageous, more skilled ....?Does Arvanites are second class citizens?

Brazzer είπε ...Ελληνικές παροιμίες: 
1 Ο Θεός δεν είναι Αρβανίτης (Κρήτη, Σάμος). 
2. Αρβανίτη αν κάνεις φίλο βάστα και κομμάτι ξύλο. 
3 Σαν Αρβανίτης κάνεις (Τήνος).
 4 Αρβανίτης πλένεται και η ποδιά του χαίρεται (Κάρυστος). 
5. Αρβανίτικα μυαλά κολοκύθια τούμπανα. (Κάρυστος) 
6. Αρβανίτικο κεφάλι πατινιώτικο τσουκάλι. (Κρήτη) κ. ά. 
These are some Proverbs that I have taken from the Internet, about the arvanites. I do not understand some of them!Απριλίου 24 2009 8:20 μ.μ. 
http://dimitrisdoctor2.blogspot.com/2009/04/blog-post.html
Εγώ 
Αυτά για τους αρβανίτες ,από τους έλληνες .Την δεύτερη κατηγορία τους το  καταλαβαίνουν οι ιδιοι
7 - Made in a manner Arvanitas Greek group. When the Greeks must not only consider the British as a Greek.Lord Byron did so much to Arvanit uprising of 1821 as materially and spiritually as.Here is the fault of our state and our foreign diplomacy explicitly, totally in existent,totally beg and sell. 
Conclusion 
Who speaks Albanian - Arvanitika as native language is Albanian, let them say what they want pseudo researchers.All the great Arvanites were also very good fancier language arvanita.Now those who lost their language Arvanites, were assimilated very quickly.Native language = nation, therefore, was fought so much, under the pretext of a language for everyone. 
Who speaks Greek as mother tongue is Greek.Ie those who do not know arvanitika Arvanit are Greek.Thus the Greeks of "world civilization", did not allow for 200 years in a row nor a chair of Albanian language in Athens.It shows fear, it does not indicate citizenship.
 Ancient Greeks calling to teach pellasgians Ellinika, but not forced. 
Why the Greeks feared?. Did the Greeks Arvanites, Vllaks, Slavs, Turks ... ? 
A question for a nation? Only with hands bound and state violence!!Have you noticed that those who know arvanitika are arvanita greatest fighters?Why? 
Because only those who know the language Arvanites, are associated not only spiritually, but also by inheritance. This is related to those stated above.
Greeks, Arvanites deny minority "scientifically"
Albanians can deny the Greek minority in Albania more scientifically, as a reciprocal measure.Greek theories "fonoi, Foni" not at all scientifically stay in each country.Back word ": Foni" the laborators, that does not translate into any language in the world, stay dark for the purpose of eradicating minorities and artificial creation of a pure state not only ethnic but also religious.Not surprisingly Greece declare who is Greek Orthodox definitely is. I did not stop here to prove becauseis easily verified scientifically, because it occurs only in Greece.Long live view "scientific" Greek! Home inë Amen. 
Θούριος
Βουλγάροι κι Αρβανίτες, 
Αρμένιοι και Ρωμιοί, 
Αράπηδες και άσπροι, με μια κοινήν ορμή, 
Για την ελευθερίαν, να ζώσωμεν σπαθί, 
πως είμαστ 'αντρειωμένοι, παντού να ξακουσθεί.
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 Κάλλιο για την πατρίδα, κανένας να χαθεί
ή να κρεμάσει φούντα, για ξένον στο σπαθί.
Και όσοι προσκυνήσουν, δεν είναι πια εχθροί,
αδέλφια μας θα γένουν, ας είναι κ 'εθνικοί.
αδέλφια μας θα γένουν, ας είναι κ 'εθνικοί.


Αρβανίτες .....ας είναι κ 'εθνικοί,διλαδι Αλβανοι.



This is my publication in Phorum.gr and have the legal right to interpreter. 
Why hide it from the Greeks 200 years?Answer.
Because the National hidden character to swear Albanian Arvanites in Greece Constitutes one of the peaks of Collective shame of hiding by Greek Scholars!
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in Albanian
 Përse teoritë greke për trajtimin zyrtar të shqiptarëve të Greqise (Arvanitëve) nuk janë shkencore 
Unë kam vite që shkruaj për arvanitët ,dmth shqiptarët e Greqise sepse i kam jetuar arvanitët dhe pashë me sytë e mi shtypjen që ju bëhej atyre ,këtu theksoj në arvanitizmin e tyre .
Unë faktoj bile se arvanitët në çastin e krijimit të shtetit Grek ishin më shumë se vetë grekët ,kjo me fakte ,por dhe ishin më shumë se vetë vetë shqiptarët duke futur këtu dhe zonat me ndergjegje kombëtare shqiptare si Epiri,Maqedonia Greke ,Thraqi si dhe çamët .Në këto zona ,pjesë e shtetit Grek tashmë,theksoj se edhe sot nuk njihet fjala arvanit,por vetëm shqiptar ,çka më çon në konkjluzionin shkencor se kemi të bëjmë me ndërgjegje kombëtare shqiptare .
Jo rastësisht shumë studjues me origjinë arvanite e theksonin këtë,midis tyre dhe ish kryetari i Lidhjes Arvanite Ari Arvaniti ,Kolia .Ky raport i popullsisë më çon në konkluzionin ,ndoshta të debatueshëm ,se nuk duhet të perdoret shprehja "dialekti arvanit" ,por gjuha Arvanite .
Ka fakte që gjuha Arvanite ishte gjuhë kushtuetutore në Greqinë e sotme ,një detaj shume i mprehte ,i lënë pas dore nga
gjithe studjuesit e mëparshem shqiptare të arvanitëve ,por dhe prej studjuesve arvanitë të Greqisë .
Gjithashtu dhe kjo dokumentohet se është përdorur njësoj si greqishtja për zgjedhjet elektorale më 1860 .
Pra ishte gjuhë e dytë ,zyrtare por e humbi statusin e saj më vonë dhunshëm sigurisht .
Eshtë shumë e lehtë të vertëtosh nga ana teorike se arvanitët ishin,janë dhe do të ngelen shqipëtarë për sa kohë që ata vetë
përdorin shprehjen se unë jam arvanit .
Sapo fillon të thuash se jam arvanit ,vllak,sllav,turk,izrailit.. tregon se ka distance midis teje dhe grekërve,
të cilët nuk janë turq,sllavë,vllakë e arvanitë..njësoj si ti ,por grekë .
Dhe nese grekët nuk janë turq,sllavë,vllakë ,arvanitë ..nuk bëhet fjalë për një komb.
Që të përbësh një komb duhet që ashtu si deklarohem unë ,të deklarohesh dhe ti .
Nëse ti nuk je si unë ,ateherë unë ndihem i përbuzur ,qytetar i kategorisë së dytë,dikush ,në këtë rast ,greket janë superiorë

dhe të tjerët ,Arvanitët,Vllaks,Sllavet,Turqit...janë inferiorë.
Askush nuk mund të kundërshtojë këtë konkluzion teorik,parë kjo nga këndvështrimi etnologjik,historik,origjinës ..dhe

vecantërisht nga ai gjuhësor .Sepse të gjithë këta janë krejtësisht të ndryshëm ,nga çdo pikëpamje .
Shumica vetëm Ortodoksinë kishin të përbashkët ,bile këtu 20% e kryengritësve dhe jo revolucionarëve arvanitas të `21 ishin
myslimanë.Në këtë grup dhe turqit ,nuk ishin,nuk janë ortodoksë .

Nga përvoja ime shumë vjecare kam arritur në këto përfundime :

- Sipas gjuhëtareve grekë dhe arvanitë,
Gjuha Arvanite është gjuhë Shqipe .
Disa emra ,kryesisht gjuhëtaresh por dhe historianësh që e mbeshtesin këtë:
Lamprinidhi ,K.Statha,Grigori Bello,A.Kulluri.P.Furriki,K.Paparigopullo,Babinioti,Johalla,Kolia,
Lidhja Arvanite dhe shkencerisht Tsitsipi , më i madhi në gjuhesi ..etj
- Tërë shekullin e 19 deri në shpalljen e pamvarësisë së Shqiperisë(1912) ,të gjithë pa perjashtim,brenda dhe jashtë Greqisë,

shkruanin që arvanitet janë shqiptarë .Ju lutem grekëve të gjejnë një dokument të vetëm ku arvanitët cilësoheshin si grekë
në këtë shekull .
Pra në shekullin e 19 nuk flitej për arvanitë por për shqiptarë .Ndërsa jashtë Greqisë të gjithë vazhdojnë të shkruajnë se
arvanitët janë shqiptarë,brenda Greqisë zyrtarisht deklarohet se arvanitët janë grekë .
Pra nuk ka ndryshuar faktori i jashtëm ,aspak,por ai brenda Greqisë,d.m.th nacionalizmi Grek triumfoi mbi të gjithë.
Prandaj shkruhet shpesh për presion shtetëror grek ndaj arvanitëve ,në arvanitizmin e tyre .

Por nuk është e mundur nga ana shkencore që :
- 1 -  Gjuha Arvanite të jetë gjuhe Shqipe ,ndërsa arvanitet, të jenë grekë.
Grekët shkruajnë dhe trajtojne arvanitet si....
Albano-foni, por grekë .Dmth me prejardhje shqiptare por
ajo që në fund të fundit ka rëndësi është se janë grekë !!!!!
Ky term "shkencor" ka si synim zhdukjen e minoriteteve .Vetëm Greqia e këtë shprehje .
Duke u bazuar vetëm se janë banorë të Greqisë ,grekët shpikën këtë term "shkencor".
Në baze të kësaj llogjike turqit e Greqise janë
Turko-foni, por grekë,
Vllaks,Rumano-foni, por greke ,
Sllavet ,Bullgaro-Makedono - foni, por grekë ...
pondët,izraelitet,gjifts ,të gjithë ...."foni" por në thelb grekë .
Nëse kjo është e vertetë atëhere dhe minoriteti grek në Shqiperi mund të trajtohet zyrtarisht ,mbështetur sipas vetë teorive

zyrtare greke si :
 Greko-foni,por ...shqipëtarë .
- 2 - Asnje grek studjues nuk ka thënë jashtë Greqise se arvanitët janë grekë siç thonë në të gjitha rastet për Makedonët

sllavë se nuk janë produkt i Maqedonëve klasikë,ku unë do të shtoja shqiptarët e Maqedonisë janë Maqedonasit origjinalë.
- 3 - 100% e të huajve ,që nuk kanë arsye të përkrahin vetëm shqiptarët ,janë me shqiptaret,arvanitet vetëm për arsye sepse

me ta është e verteta .
- 4 - Sa është e mundur të jesh dhe arvanit,vllak,sllav ,turk,izralit dhe grek njëkohësisht ?

Gjuha e nënës nuk përbën element kombëtar për grekët dhe nëse jo ,përse vetëm për ata nuk është fakt i kombësisë ?

- 5 - Si është e mundur që vetëm pse banojnë në Greqi ,të gjithë dygjuhëshit quhen grekë ?
Dhe kjo pse vetem në Greqi ?
Edhe ne kemi të gjithë të drejtat ligjore dhe justifikimin njerëzor, që në bazë të kësaj llogjike të trajtojmë grekët e Shqiperise

si shqiptarë e kaluar shqiptarit,bile me mësime nga vetë Greqia ,si vend i qytetërimit të lashtë.
- 6 - Kur arvanitët vllakët ,sllavët ,turqit,izralitët konsiderohen grekë përse grekët nuk janë arvanitë ,vllakë,turq,sllavë etj ?
 Grupi  që identifikohet si një popull ,flet të njëjtën gjuhë,kryesorja ,përgjithësisht ka të njëjtin gjak,të njëjtën ndërgjegje dhe në

këtë mënyrë bëhet pjesë e punës,mendimit,veprimit dhe sakrificës kombëtare .
Por nuk janë të pa rëndësishme për një popull dhe zakonet,tradita,trashëgimnia e kulturore,muzika ,mënyra e sjelljes dhe

reagimi ,bile dhe fenomeni i trashëguar i vlerësimit të tjerëve që nuk i takojnë grupit tënd etj .
Në cfarë aspekti nga këto të mësipërmet ngjajnë arvanitët,vllaket,turqit,sllavet ..me greket ?
Përse greket nuk flasin arvanitika,nuk lejojnë të transmetohet qoftë dhe një këngë e vetme arvanite ?
Përse ,kur unë bëhem si ti ,përse ti nuk behesh si unë ? Mos valle jane lypsare arvanitet ?
Greket janë  më te mirë,më te aftë,më te zgjuar ,më trima,më të zotë....?
Mos vallë arvanitët janë qytetarë të dorës së dytë ?

Brazzer είπε...
Ελληνικές παροιμίες:
1 Ο Θεός δεν είναι Αρβανίτης (Κρήτη, Σάμος).
2. Αρβανίτη αν κάνεις φίλο βάστα και κομμάτι ξύλο.
3 Σαν Αρβανίτης κάνεις (Τήνος).
4 Αρβανίτης πλένεται και η ποδιά του χαίρεται (Κάρυστος).
5. Αρβανίτικα μυαλά κολοκύθια τούμπανα. (Κάρυστος)
6. Αρβανίτικο κεφάλι πατινιώτικο τσουκάλι. (Κρήτη) κ. ά.
These are some proverbs that I have taken from the internet, about the arvanites. I don't understand some of them!
24 Απριλίου 2009 8:20 μ.μ.
http://dimitrisdoctor2.blogspot.com/2009/04/blog-post.html

Εγώ 

Αυτά για τους αρβανίτες ,από τους έλληνες .Την δεύτερη κατηγορία τους το  καταλαβαίνουν οι ιδιοι- 7 - Arvanitët bëhen në mënyre grupore greke .Kur grekët nuk guxojnë të konsiderojnë një Britanik të vetëm si grek .
Lordi Bajron bëri kaq shumë për kryengritjen arvanite të vitit 1821 si materialisht ,po aq dhe shpirtërisht .
Këtu fajin e ka shteti ynë dhe vecantërisht diplomacia jonë e jashtme ,krejtesisht in ekzistente ,
krejtësisht lypsare dhe të shitur .
Konkluzioni
Kush flet Shqip - Arvanitika ,si gjuhë amëtare,eshte shqiptar ,le të thonë cfarë të duan pseudo studjuesit .
Të gjithë arvanitët e mëdhenj ,ishin njëkohësisht njohës shumë të mirë të Gjuhes Arvanite .
Ndërkaq ata që humbën gjuhen Arvanite ,u asimiluan shumë shpejt .
Gjuha amëtare = komb ,prandaj dhe u luftua kaq shumë ,nën pretekstin e një gjuhe për të gjithë .Kush flet greqisht si gjuhë amëtare  ,eshte grek .
Dmth ata arvanite që nuk dinë arvanitika janë greke .
Prandaj greket e "qyteterimit boteror",nuk lejuan për 200 vjet resht as dhe një katedër të gjuhes Shqipe në Athinë.
Kjo tregon frikë ,kjo nuk tregon qytetari .Grekët e vjetër bënin thirrje pellasgëve që të mësonin ellinika ,por nuk i detyronin .
Përse u frikësuan greket ?.Mos vallë nga  greket arvanitë,vllakë,sllavë,turq... ?
A bëhet fjalë për një komb ?Vetëm me duar të lidhura dhe dhunë shtëterore !!!!
A keni vënë re se ata që dinë arvanitika janë luftetarët më të mëdhenj arvanitë ? Përse ?
Sepse vetëm ata që dinë gjuhën Arvanite ,janë të lidhur jo vetëm shpirtërisht ,por edhe nga ana trashegimore .Kjo ka lidhje me ato që thamë më lartë .

Grekët mohojnë minoritetin Arvanit "shkencërisht "
Shqiptarët mund të mohojnë minoritetin grek në Shqiperi shumë shkencerisht,kjo si masë reciproke .
Teoritë greke me "fonoi,foni" nuk qëndrojnë aspak shkencerisht ,në të gjitha vendet e botes .
Mbrapa fjales ":foni"të laboratorit,që nuk përkthehet në asnjë gjuhë të botës ,qëndrojnë qëllime të errëta për zhdukjen e

minoriteteve dhe krijimin artificial të një shteti të pastër jo vetem etnik por edhe fetar.
Jo rastësisht Greqia deklaronte se kush eshte grek, eshte ortodoks patjetër .Nuk po ndalem këtu për ta vërtetuar sepse

eshtë lehtesisht e vërtetueshme shkencerisht ,mbasi kjo ndodh vetëm në Greqi .
Rroftë mendimi "shkencor "grek ! Amë inë !Amen .